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PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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Are these the plain lockable 2pin screw terminals or the plug-in type with a male and female, because the latter doesn’t have 1 continuous pitch when resting against each other - the 5.08 does but smaller doesn’t -.


PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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Thanks, Peter. I have Gerbv, and will attempt to make better measurements with it. In a round-about way, you answered my primary concern that this has happened to others or not, by not saying so. I searched but could not find a similar issue.

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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For the holes the drill.txt file is your likely easiest answer. The format is plain text with the hole size in the first set and the x/y coords in thousands of an inch in the list of holes (grouped by hole size) under it. It is somewhat unlikely (but not impossible) that the board house did it wrong. It somewhat more likely that Fritzing did something wrong as even some of the parts in core are not correct. As I said if you upload the fzz file one of us can probably tell you where the problem lies just by looking at it.

Peter

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Thanks, but that file is not at my location, and I just made that image above to represent. Id’ rather upload the actual file, as that’s the one that counts.

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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Where did you get that part from, because I don’t have it.

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It had to have come with Fritzing in some way. I’ll dig to find it in the program folders and post it.

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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I found it, and it looks different to a 3.5 screw terminal in spacing, i.e. 4mm.


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Yep. But that is a lesser issue, compared to the 2.8% larger spacing actually made, it becomes unusable. The pin spacing issue is not multiplied through the number of blocks. Only in each block, as imaged above. But grow it, and :frowning_face: If nobody has had an issue with long strings of holes like this, then it has to be a board house issue, and I just need to find it.

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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Look at the silk of the PCB and look at the silk in FZ, is there a gap between screw terminals on the PCB or are they touching like FZ.

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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The Fritz and silk match perfectly, just a hair bigger on the PCBs

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The pcb svg shows the pin spacing to be 3.855mm and that the part was generated by the eagle to Fritzing library. The Sparkfun site doesn’t have a data sheet per se but they do claim the spacing is 3.5mm (which this part is not …) so there is a good chance the part is wrong is the problem not the board house.

Peter

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He set them on a 3.5mm grid so the first hole is correct in each and the overall should be correct.

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I don’t know. Without the original I can’t workout if it’s a part going crazy, user error, or what.

My drill.txt looks ok
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85318
3.14452
3.85572
3.14452
3.85572

Going by the silk being thicker between terminals something caused the parts to be spaced further.

A discussion of future direction

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While I wasn’t here at the start, I believe Fritzing started out as a tool for beginners. The pros then discovered it filled a need and pushed it forward. If (as it seems) all you want is an eda package then Kicad may be an appropriate answer or geda or one of the commercial products. To me Fritzing’s value add is breadboard (which you don’t appear to want or need). It is the only program I’m aware of that will allow you to document connecting together various modules such as MCUs and sensors to document a one of project cobbled together for something.

Peter


A discussion of future direction

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The very first part I grabbed when I started in KiCad was wrong, and that’s when I realised that non engineer people making parts for a free EDA are always a risk, so I went back to FZ. Making a full 3D part in KiCad is probably just as hard as a FZ part because it has a very visual BB view - something that others don’t have -. You either like FZ or not,

PCB errors don't match Fritzing?

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I’ve got a theory. The production house might have seen the 3.81mm terminals and spaced them all at 3.81mm. If you subtract 3.5 from 3.81 you get 0.31mm, and if you times that by 9 it’s 2.8mm, closer to 72mm than 70mm. Measure the holes with a vernier and see if they go 3.5mm, 3.81mm, 3.5mm etc, or 3.81mm etc.

If it was me I would just sand off the locking tabs and use the PCBs.

Slightly Confused

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@Old_Grey and @vanepp Thank you both so much for the advice and responses. I love the fact that people on these forums are so much more helpful and friendly than a lot of the forums I used to frequent.
Much appreciated ! +++

Need help for an Arduino connection

A discussion of future direction

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@vanepp, @StickyNote, At friends of Fritzing, http://friends.fritzing.org/ it might give you some insight on how Fritzing got started and first funded. Fritzing is an open source educational tool designed to fill in a gap during the beginning of the Arduino revolution. A lot of things have changed since then and I don’t think anyone had any idea how this DIY electronic revolution was going to go…

Some of the fab houses have their own EDAs and of course you have the commercial EDAs. Some of them do pretty neat stuff along with their own learning curve… Fritzing is in a class by it self and shouldn’t be compared with the commercial EDAs. Many of Fritzing parts are provided by people like you and me and usually not tested for errors. But I believe Fritzing still does exactly what it was designed to do; and that is to take the student from learning how to read and draw a schematic, test it out on the breadboard, and then design and build a PCB prototype. Like any new program has its own learning curve, it takes awhile to get the hang of it. Fritzing is a lot easier then some of the EDAs… you just got to learn the little tricks… There are things you can do with Fritzing that you can’t do with the commercial EDAs.

I think the most difficult thing about Fritzing is getting Inkscape down to a science. Inkscape has a lot of settings and if they are not setup right, your .svg file does some strange things when imported into Fritzing, “like your scaling problem or strange through hole sizes…”. One of these day, Fritzing will have its own graphics program for creating the .svg files for parts which will make things a lot easier to edit or create new parts.

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